when i do it for ford in '76, but then again for george w. bush in 2000. i had a couple of calls to politicians, said, you know, really helped me in my race back home because i was on the list. somebody could leak the fact that they were on the list. but that was the big list. it was easy to get on the big list. the tough one is the small list. the test to get on that small list, is this person capable of being the president of the united states? and that's a very, very short list. >> can you reach out to a specific demographic, a woman or hispanic? >> those are important issues. they shouldn't override that first proposition and i think that's one of the problems that mccain had. i liked governor palin, i have met her, i have known her. she's an attractive candidate. but based on her background, she was only governor for two years, i don't think she passed that test of being ready to take over. and think that was a mistake. >> for more from my interview with former vice president cheney tune in to "good morning america," "world news" and "nightline" tomor